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"So what John says is very true about long term vision, but I think whenever we strayed, and let's say I was certain of something, and steering things not quite in the right direction, and didn't align with John, or vice versa, if John really got excited about something, and we didn't take the time to align, those things never blossomed. What we learnt over time is that the idea and the concept of spreading the power of optimism is much bigger than us. And so we would keep each other in check sometimes, by allowing each other to make mistakes. Occasionally there'll be tension points. But when you work together for 25 years, you come to trust the guy who's always come through. And finding that balance is a great dance that will continue our whole lives."